Before I get into what makes me scream, shout, and reach for hard objects to throw, let me be clear about my definition of “conversational copywriting.”
It’s a way of writing sales copy that sounds like one friend enthusiastically selling something to another friend.
Conversational copywriting is still about selling … but in a way that is honest, transparent, and respectful of your audience.
It’s the zero-hype, no-BS antidote to the hard-sell approach.
Truth be told, this has always been at the heart of the very best copywriting. It’s what made me fall in love with the craft when I got my own start as a copywriter in 1979.
You’ll find plenty of references to marketing with conversation in The Cluetrain Manifesto, published in 2000. Right up front, the authors state, “Markets Are Conversations.”
It’s part and parcel of Seth Godin’s Permission Marketing.
And if you’re a regular reader here at Copyblogger, you’re already familiar with conversational writing.
So why do I still find myself reaching for hard objects?
Because so many marketers and copywriters still don’t get it.
In no particular order …
Screamworthy Moment #1: “We do that already”
Very occasionally, I’ll agree. But mostly not.
I’ll look at their sales pages and find that while they’re using conversational, chatty language, they’re still being manipulative scumbuckets.
Dressing up hard-selling, sneaky copy in chatty language does not qualify as conversational copywriting.
Conversational copywriting is as much about intent as it is about the language you use.
Or, I’ll look at their content or product information pages and find 50-word, compound sentences packed into 20-line paragraphs.
Er, no … that’s not conversational. That’s just bad business writing.
“But our readers are professionals!” Okay. See #3 below.
Screamworthy Moment #2: “We need the ‘real thing’”
I don’t know where this idea came from.
Why does the “real thing” in copywriting have to be “sell at any cost, even if it means lying?”
I don’t buy that argument and never have.
Read some of the great print ads from the second half of the last century. Study ads written by David Ogilvy. Or the work of a couple of my own favorites from the 1980s: David Abbott and Susie Henry. Their copywriting was absolutely conversational.
(Get yourself a copy of D&AD: The Copy Book. It showcases dozens of great examples of old-school print copywriting.)
If you still get some pushback from clients about conversational copywriting being second best, buy them a copy of Conversational Intelligence by Judith E. Glaser. It’s packed full of the science behind why conversational selling works so well.
Here’s the neuroscience behind it:
If you sell too hard, your reader’s amygdala lights up like a Christmas tree. That’s the fight or flight part of the brain. The oldest part. The part that kept us alive at a time when we were on the menu for saber-toothed tigers.
When the amygdala lights up, all bets are off. You’re now perceived as a threat.
Take a less pushy and more conversational approach … an approach that signals you can be trusted … and the amygdala stays quiet, while the prefrontal cortex lights up.
The prefrontal cortex is involved in personality expression, moderating social behavior, and decision-making. It’s the “thoughtful” part of our brains. That’s the part of the brain you need to engage if you want to close the sale.
So no, I don’t buy the notion that being conversational is somehow second best.
Far from it.
Screamworthy Moment #3: “It doesn’t make sense to ‘dumb things down’”
Seriously?
- Since when was writing simply and clearly dumbing things down?
- Since when did removing jargon from your writing make you look less smart?
- Since when was openness, honesty, and integrity damaging to a “serious” brand?
When people ask me about this dumbing down thing … particularly with regard to B2B companies … I suggest they think about all of the English grammar exceptions that people use around the water cooler.
Imagine you’re a young intern at a “serious” B2B company. You go to your first meeting and struggle to understand what people are saying.
Why? Because they’re using a lot of jargon and industry-specific, in-house gobbledygook.
A kindly soul sees you struggling to keep up. Later, around the water cooler, he explains the key points to you. But just one-on-one, as part of a conversation.
That’s the conversational version of what was said in the meeting. Not dumbed down. Just a whole lot clearer.
This is the perfect fit for selling online
To me, the power of conversational copywriting is self-evident.
And it turns out that it’s also the perfect fit for the web.
After all, the web is by its very nature both social and conversational.
That’s what we do on the web, right? We use social platforms to get into conversations with others.
It’s what people do.
So we can join those conversations with our sales messages in ways that fit in, and are respectful of their attention.
Conversational copywriting is copywriting for the web.
It’s what fits. It’s what works.
Reader Comments (25)
John Makohen says
Manipulative Scumbuckets,- love it. Make that emotional connection and join in the conversation. Love it.
Nick Usborne says
Glad you like it. : )
Andrew Harkin says
Nick I couldn’t agree more I’m just surprised it needed saying.
If memory serves the first print ad (for sewing machines I think) was written after the copywriter (might have been Claude himself) interviewed all the company’s top salesmen.
He copied their pitches, usual objections and their answers and lashed it all together in a very successful direct response print ad.
If that isn’t conversational copy I don’t know what is.
The roots of copywriting are taken from direct sales I.e conversations with prospects. We’ve just adapted – or should have done – and dialled back the hard sell rhetoric.
Thanks again Nick, now, time for my medication…
Nick Usborne says
Andrew, hi
You’re absolutely right. Some of my favorite copywriters from the 70s and 80s – when I was starting out – were definitely conversational in their style.
Somehow, since then, too many copywriters have decided their craft is about trips, tricks and manipulation.
I find that weird, because the web is a totally conversational medium.
Like you say… this shouldn’t need saying. But it does! : )
Nick
Judith says
Nick’s dedication to and passion for conversational copy is highly contagious. This great article proves it!
He knows and understands the big, wide, wonderful world of the web. I mean, there’s so much going on! It’s different. It’s alive. Learn from it. Retreat from it. It’s used and abused. How in the world does one write for it? As a fledgling copywriter I about gave up. Then along came Nick – and Conversational Copywriting. It’s an exciting way to communicate – to share, inform and engage. It puts the human element back.
Convincing some people that it’s the way to write for the web and connect with your audience is an uphill battle. If anyone can win it, Nick can.
Nick Usborne says
Thanks Judith. Totally over-the-top praise…. but I’ll take it. : )
Marvin says
Great post!
Not to sound cynical, but, what ever happened to the simple formula of telling people the (honest) benefits of buying your product–with no hype.
And letting the buyer make the decision.
Just my two cents.
Nick Usborne says
I wish! I wish I could sell good products and services simply by describing them… like you suggest.
The trouble is, when you try that – and I have, many times – nobody buys. I wish they would, but they don’t.
So… it seems we do need to sell a bit in order to get people to actually make a choice and reach for their credit cards.
My thing with Conversational Copywriting is based on the belief that you can sell in a persuasive way without resorting to hype or manipulative sales tactics. You can pitch the sale, but still be a decent human being. : )
Nick
Martin Lindeskog says
Marvin,
As a former purchaser, I can resonate with this idea. I have a “soft” approach regarding selling my services as social media evangelist, due to my “allergic” reaction to pushy salespeople, back in the day! 😉
I have been a member of BNI, and I am a certified networker, so my business process is to apply the “giver’s gain” principle, and get referrals along the way. The challenge is to avoid that it turns into giver’s “pain”… Plenty of people have picked my brain, during the years.
Nick: I will look into to your site, in order to become in conversational copywriting! 😉
All the Best,
Martin
Nick Usborne says
Interesting… To your point, I believe conversational copywriting is more closely aligned with inbound marketing than outbound marketing. Or… it takes some of the tone and sensitivities of inbound marketing and applies that to outbound marketing.
Clear as mud? : )
Sheila Koester says
Artificial Intelligence (AI) and chatbots are here to stay. Humans are able to converse with a computer program. If chatbots are conversational, then why can’t copywriting also be conversational? Consumers in generations Y and Z will be looking for the conversational copywriting approach when it comes to buying products and services online.
Nick Usborne says
LOL… chatbots are a whole different topic. But I take your point. It kind of amazes me that a chatbot can often do a better job of being conversational than a “real” person.
And I think you’re right about the younger generations of buyers. They are native users of the web. They are on social media all the time. And yes, I think they will insist on a more conversational approach to marketing from the brands they admire.
Nick
Sonia Simone says
Good chatbots are … wait for it … written by a good copywriter who understands exactly what Nick is saying here. 🙂
A smart chatbot is just like a smart email autoresponder. It’s warm, well-written conversational copy that nurtures a relationship and provides value, without pretending that there’s some individual person typing all of those messages one by one.
Nick Usborne says
To your last point… what I hate the most is human customer service people who drag and drop pre-written responses that almost answer your question, but not quite! I’d rather deal with a chatbot!
Sonia Simone says
Isn’t that funny? That’s the thing about tech — it never gets bored or tired.
Hugh Culver says
Nick I love this (bookmarking right now). And I appreciate that you had a bit of a ‘meta’ challenge writing about writing. No worries, you got the message off without showing off.
Nick Usborne says
Glad it hit the spot for you!
Writing about writing is always a little weird. Something implicitly self-indulgent about it. ; )
Nick
Jennifer Elin Cole says
“Or, I’ll look at their content or product information pages and find 50-word, compound sentences packed into 20-line paragraphs.” UGH!!! These passages sound like swallowing nails would feel. And as if the voluminous writing wasn’t awful enough, it’s almost always all in PASSIVE tense! Passive tense makes my ears bleed. Who tells a friend, “The date has been chosen”? NO ONE. You tell your friend, “I chose the date.” So why do copywriters and script writers insist–INSIST– on the passive tense? My second pet peeve is “most importantly” instead of the correct “most important” but I’ll save that rant for a different post.
Nick Usborne says
Good to see I’ve unleashed your inner-ranter. : ) Nothing like some bad business writing to boil the blood of anyone who actually loves the English language.
John Orchan says
I’ve always been a great advocate of this style of copywriting, why…..?
Simple, it works!
Trust will always trump ‘hard-sell’… every time.
It amazes me how many people still use the old ‘one-way’ approach to selling?
Take a quick look at some websites, and you’ll see for yourself.
I guess anybody who wants to be ahead of the game needs to learn this craft, sooner than later.
Great (and timely) post Nick.
Nick Usborne says
Glad you liked the post! I ask myself the same question about why more people don’t take this approach.
The web is by its very nature both social and conversational… and has been for over 20 years now!
So why do so many companies and copywriter still use the old-school, broadcast approach to selling?
Beats me. : )
Tony K Boatright says
Great piece. If I ever grow up, I hope to write as well as you!
Nick Usborne says
Ha! You should see my first, second, third, fourth and fifth drafts! But thank you for the kind words anyway!
LJ Sedgwick says
If I can read a sales page in the voice of Marge Simpson, then I feel like it’s conversational. If it comes across like Troy McClure, I won’t buy.
Nick Usborne says
Great way to put it! : )
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